Update: People’s reactions to this have been very mixed, and that’s all I ever expected. The fact that people take their time to comment both positively and negatively indicates that people feel this is worth their time to do so and this is awesome. I’d like to say that I do not wish people to “boycott RvB” or anything of the sort. If you want to join, then join. I’m just dissapointed in the actions of some in leadership positions. Contrary to some posts, I’ve not posted this out of context as far as I am able. If there’s information hidden or wrong, it’s because I was not aware of it – either now or then. Take what you want from this post, because that’s all I ever wrote it for. Form your own opinions, both on myself and on others. On a lighter note, here’s the latest Ganked report.
I really never wanted to write such a post, but right now I’m a tad upset and really annoyed. Chat logs are involved, because at this point I don’t give a fuck.
Today, I got banned from the “R-v-B” channel (which I was on a lot), had my Forum access deleted (which I was on a lot) and was told the following by the RvB CEO:
[23:17:51] Del DelVechio > you are not welcome here anymore
“But tgl3” I hear you say, “surely you were at war? Surely you podded the CEO? Such a ban would surely require this”
Nope, I was sat in my wormhole, scouting in my new Tengu.
Since there’s no chance of me returning, I’m posting everything I have because I’m exceedingly aggravated.
So here’s a bit of background – There was a channel set up back when I first joined RvB called “RvB Spooning R Us” – this channel was set up by a Blue “Tokyo” and was created for people in RvB to “bitch” in, rather than the official “r-v-b” channel or local. Over time, this channel just turned into a place for friends and random RvB members to chat and hang out. However, Tokyo has not logged on for upwards of 2 months, and at some point I have become the sole operator.
When I originally left RvB, a few others left too. One of these was a Red member named Firetruck Man.
As of last week, Firetruck man has been sat on the Blue HQ station repairing anyone he can. Blue and Red. Obviously, the people in RvB are mad about this. It’s hindering fights.
Now, Firetruck Man is a regular with us in Spooning. I don’t fully agree with his RR game, but since he’s not fucking up the channel, I don’t care.
Yesterday, during a Ganked Roam, a Red Director convo’d me. “Ghost Nightmare” is also in the Spooning channel, but doesn’t talk as much. Ghost wanted Operator rights in Spooning to kick Firetruck Man.
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:02 ] tgl3 > o/
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:03 ] Ghost Nightmare > Hey mate
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:06 ] Ghost Nightmare > can you give me op back in spooning
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:11 ] Ghost Nightmare > i dont know who removed it in the first place
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:38 ] tgl3 > I aint giving anyone else ops in there atm ;P
[ 2011.12.17 22:02:58 ] Ghost Nightmare > you know it was tokyo and my channel in the first place : /
[ 2011.12.17 22:03:32 ] Ghost Nightmare > id ask tokyo, but the bugger never logs on
[ 2011.12.17 22:07:57 ] Ghost Nightmare > shall i assume your silence to mean, im not going to give you OP back?
[ 2011.12.17 22:08:07 ] tgl3 > Sorry, was busy on ganked
[ 2011.12.17 22:08:09 ] tgl3 > not atm
[ 2011.12.17 22:08:10 ] tgl3 > ^^
[ 2011.12.17 22:08:17 ] Ghost Nightmare > ill have to wait till tokyo logs on then
[ 2011.12.17 22:10:40 ] Ghost Nightmare > Who else is OP?
[ 2011.12.17 22:10:42 ] Ghost Nightmare > or is it just you
[ 2011.12.17 22:10:53 ] tgl3 > I believe it is just me
[ 2011.12.17 22:11:03 ] tgl3 > Everyone else is rvb drama whining atm ^^
[ 2011.12.17 22:11:09 ] Ghost Nightmare > so you removed my OP roles?
[ 2011.12.17 22:11:16 ] tgl3 > Not that i remember?
[ 2011.12.17 22:11:38 ] Ghost Nightmare > well somone removed them, from my own bloody channel -_-
[ 2011.12.17 22:12:01 ] tgl3 > I thought it was tokyos?
[ 2011.12.17 22:12:08 ] Ghost Nightmare > Tokyo made it for me and him
[ 2011.12.17 22:12:12 ] Ghost Nightmare > then we invited other peeps in
[ 2011.12.17 22:12:40 ] Ghost Nightmare > If i created it myself i wouldent need OP
[ 2011.12.17 22:15:35 ] tgl3 > Well tokyo can give you ops if he logs back on, I guess
[ 2011.12.17 22:15:57 ] tgl3 > But since I suspect you only want it to kick FT or something *shrug*
[ 2011.12.17 22:18:31 ] Ghost Nightmare > im going to kick FT
[ 2011.12.17 22:18:33 ] Ghost Nightmare > straight away
[ 2011.12.17 22:18:40 ] Ghost Nightmare > hes fucking up RvB
[ 2011.12.17 22:18:46 ] Ghost Nightmare > he needs to be given the silent treatment
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:01 ] tgl3 > So give him it.
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:07 ] Ghost Nightmare > is what im going to do
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:12 ] Ghost Nightmare > Boot him straight out
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:16 ] Ghost Nightmare > give him no one to talk to
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:40 ] Ghost Nightmare > or you can just boot him
[ 2011.12.17 22:19:55 ] Ghost Nightmare > but i get the feeling you kinda like him
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:02 ] Ghost Nightmare > so if i boot him theres no hard feelings
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:06 ] tgl3 > he’s done nothing wrong to me
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:18 ] Ghost Nightmare > i know
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:31 ] Ghost Nightmare > but RVB spooning is continuing his connection to RvB
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:41 ] Ghost Nightmare > hes been sitting on the bloody station all day
[ 2011.12.17 22:20:46 ] Ghost Nightmare > chatting in spooning and repping people
[ 2011.12.17 22:22:32 ] Ghost Nightmare > Your a director so you must understand
[ 2011.12.17 22:22:48 ] tgl3 > I’m not a director
[ 2011.12.17 22:22:52 ] Ghost Nightmare > well
[ 2011.12.17 22:22:55 ] Ghost Nightmare > you would be if you rejoined
[ 2011.12.17 22:24:53 ] tgl3 > Well thats not happening anytime soon
[ 2011.12.17 22:25:52 ] Ghost Nightmare > yea, i know
[ 2011.12.17 22:27:41 ] Ghost Nightmare > Firetruck needs to be removed from spooning and id rather you helped me rather than waiting till tokyo logs on and asumes control.
[ 2011.12.17 22:34:17 ] tgl3 > I still don’t see why
[ 2011.12.17 22:41:31 ] Ghost Nightmare > because hes doing it for attention
[ 2011.12.17 22:41:39 ] Ghost Nightmare > and if no one is there to give him attention
[ 2011.12.17 22:41:47 ] Ghost Nightmare > hell have to find something else to occupy him
I’m trying to prevent drama in Spooning, since Firetruck hasn’t actually done anything to anyone whilst in that channel. If someone shits up Spooning, I’ll kick em.
Roll forward a few hours to today.
I’m scouting my wormhole when Ghost opens another conversation.
[ 2011.12.18 22:21:13 ] tgl3 > o/
[ 2011.12.18 22:21:18 ] Ghost Nightmare > \o
[ 2011.12.18 22:21:25 ] Ghost Nightmare > Well im abit stuck
[ 2011.12.18 22:21:30 ] Ghost Nightmare > Tokyo wont be logging on for a long ass time
[ 2011.12.18 22:21:41 ] Ghost Nightmare > so its down to you to give me OP back
Oh is it now? That’s a bit forward isn’t it?
At this point, I forward the original conversation from last night to Firetruck, because it’s amusing, and continue.
[ 2011.12.18 22:22:12 ] tgl3 > Well I’m not going to right now.
[ 2011.12.18 22:22:12 ] Ghost Nightmare > and as much as i like you, firetruck is becomming so irritating that he has to be severed from RVB as much as possible
[ 2011.12.18 22:22:35 ] tgl3 > I’ll kick FT from spooning at the point he’s being a dick in that channel
[ 2011.12.18 22:22:45 ] Ghost Nightmare > Spooning is an RVB channel
[ 2011.12.18 22:22:50 ] Ghost Nightmare > started by RVB members
[ 2011.12.18 22:23:05 ] Ghost Nightmare > for people who are in RVB and friends.
[ 2011.12.18 22:23:09 ] Ghost Nightmare > Firetruck is not a friend of RVB
[ 2011.12.18 22:23:11 ] Ghost Nightmare > he is an enemy
[ 2011.12.18 22:23:48 ] tgl3 > He’s not a friend of you
[ 2011.12.18 22:23:56 ] Ghost Nightmare > no hes not a friend of RVB
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:08 ] Ghost Nightmare > im not even on most of the time during his station camping
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:20 ] Ghost Nightmare > where he blindly reps blues and reds
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:25 ] Ghost Nightmare > waits for somone to aggress him
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:25 ] Ghost Nightmare > docks
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:29 ] Ghost Nightmare > waits out his timer
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:33 ] Ghost Nightmare > undocks a T3 Boosted Hyp
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:34 ] Ghost Nightmare > and kills them
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:41 ] tgl3 > What t3 boosts?
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:52 ] Ghost Nightmare > Apparently he has a T3 alt boosting his hyp
[ 2011.12.18 22:24:55 ] tgl3 > FT doesn’t have an alt capable, afaik
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:20 ] tgl3 > He has burrito smuggler or w.e
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:23 ] Ghost Nightmare > Still hes using complex aggression mechanics to kill RvB people who just want to fight
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:34 ] Ghost Nightmare > and its not like he can be ignored
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:39 ] Ghost Nightmare > either the whole fleet pummels him
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:42 ] Ghost Nightmare > or he continues repping
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:51 ] tgl3 > Or people move away
[ 2011.12.18 22:25:56 ] tgl3 > There’s always that.
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:10 ] Ghost Nightmare > Thats not his or your decision to make
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:29 ] Ghost Nightmare > The fact he is disrupting RVB means he is its enemy.
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:43 ] tgl3 > Right, and it’s not your decision to boot him from spooning. He’s banned from r-v-b already, and that’s that.
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:51 ] Ghost Nightmare > It is my decision
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:54 ] Ghost Nightmare > because it was my bloody channel
[ 2011.12.18 22:26:57 ] Ghost Nightmare > till somone removed my damn roles
[ 2011.12.18 22:27:06 ] tgl3 > I disagree, it’s Tokyo’s channel.
[ 2011.12.18 22:28:55 ] Ghost Nightmare > Well then
[ 2011.12.18 22:30:35 ] Ghost Nightmare > If your going to be difficult
[ 2011.12.18 22:31:05 ] Ghost Nightmare > i know what actions i can take, but i really,,,, dont want to do any of them
[ 2011.12.18 22:31:30 ] tgl3 > If you’re seeking to blackmail me into doing it, you can bite me.
[ 2011.12.18 22:31:36 ] Ghost Nightmare > im not blackmailing you
[ 2011.12.18 22:31:48 ] Ghost Nightmare > blackmailing you would be threatening you
[ 2011.12.18 22:31:53 ] Ghost Nightmare > Your helping firetruck
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:05 ] Ghost Nightmare > Thats all there is to it
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:07 ] tgl3 > Hardly, if i was helping I’d be out there repping, no?
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:17 ] Ghost Nightmare > Your protecting his connection to RVB
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:19 ] tgl3 > Instead, I’m in a wormhole avoiding a fucking drake
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:41 ] tgl3 > I would say local is a far larger connection to RvB than spooning, for him
[ 2011.12.18 22:32:52 ] tgl3 > Maybe you should petition CCP to mute him in local too.
[ 2011.12.18 22:33:51 ] Ghost Nightmare > ONly people who talk to him in local are the people i can tell not to
I close the conversation, post logs to Firetruck Man because I took Ghost’s attitude as hostile and was a bit offended, and continued as normal.
Then the CEO of RvB, Del, opens a convo.
[ 2011.12.18 22:50:57 ] tgl3 > o/ mate
[ 2011.12.18 22:51:06 ] Del DelVechio > so you went from being a cool guy to a guy who helps firetruck man?
[ 2011.12.18 22:51:11 ] tgl3 > What?
[ 2011.12.18 22:51:45 ] Del DelVechio > you read it
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:04 ] tgl3 > I… don’t think so? I’m not repping him?
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:10 ] Del DelVechio > give him intel
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:16 ] tgl3 > In what way?
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:28 ] Del DelVechio > really
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:33 ] Del DelVechio > we are going to do that?
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:38 ] Del DelVechio > play dumb?
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:49 ] tgl3 > I have no idea what you’re on about!
[ 2011.12.18 22:52:56 ] tgl3 > He’s in spooning, and we chat?
[ 2011.12.18 22:53:01 ] Del DelVechio > ok
[ 2011.12.18 22:53:02 ] Del DelVechio > later
At this point, I’m confused as hell. However, I presume Del’s response indicates that the matter is dropped, and again resume scouting.
R-V-B flashes, I tab over to check.
[ 2011.12.18 23:07:17 ] Archinquisitor > Is there any way to make eve-kill show the per-shiptype-statistic for an individual pilot?
I move to type an answer and NOPE
“That’s odd”, thinks I, “I’ll browse the forum then”
Ok, the hell is this?
I open a convo with Del.
[ 2011.12.18 23:13:24 ] tgl3 > o/
[ 2011.12.18 23:13:39 ] tgl3 > Might I ask why I got banned from r-v-b?
[ 2011.12.18 23:13:39 ] Del DelVechio > yes?
[ 2011.12.18 23:14:02 ] Del DelVechio > [23:12:12] ok tgl has been posting his private chats to FT that he has had with ghost about him repping and removing him from channels
[ 2011.12.18 23:14:52 ] Del DelVechio > why do butt hurt guys just hang around and be idiots? just leave if you aren’t happy?
[ 2011.12.18 23:15:03 ] Del DelVechio > that includes you too
[ 2011.12.18 23:15:39 ] tgl3 > Because I still have respect for RvB, and I take an interest in it?
[ 2011.12.18 23:16:03 ] Del DelVechio > just go away…you really don’t if you are going to do that shit
[ 2011.12.18 23:16:47 ] tgl3 > I wasn’t doing it to troll RvB or anything like that – FT is a friend of myself and I found Ghost to be pretty hostile
[ 2011.12.18 23:17:36 ] Del DelVechio > thats fine
[ 2011.12.18 23:17:39 ] Del DelVechio > go join his corp
[ 2011.12.18 23:17:51 ] Del DelVechio > you are not welcome here anymore
[ 2011.12.18 23:18:26 ] tgl3 > I was trying to keep drama out of spooning, for once
[ 2011.12.18 23:18:35 ] tgl3 > By not letting ghost ban FT, and I still havnt kicked Ghost out of spite
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:00 ] Del DelVechio > but you will give him intel
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:07 ] tgl3 > WHat intel??
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:10 ] tgl3 > I’m in a wormhole
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:14 ] tgl3 > What possible intel?
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:21 ] tgl3 > “there’s blues outside”
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:23 ] Del DelVechio > i am not playing games
[ 2011.12.18 23:19:24 ] Del DelVechio > later
So just like that, any hope I’ve got of returning to RvB is gone. I was hoping to. That’s why I was still about, why I was on the forums and in the channels. Make some ISK, have fun in wormholes. Come back. Maybe after a year, but back is back.
Within 24 hours, I went from “ex Red Director” to some guy banned from RvB, because I didn’t want to give Ops to a Red Director who got all whiney whine with the CEO because he couldn’t have his toy, and any attempts at talking to the CEO were brushed off leaving me more confused.
Sorry to those in RvB I used to fly with. No chance of that happening again now.
It was a good community, that’s why I tried to stay involved. Now EVE is that little bit more dead.
I don’t know. I have no more words.
Actually, I do;
For fucks’ sake.
EDIT – Oh, and Ghost uses his neutral booster against RvB rules. It’s been proved to the CEO and yet nothing has been done. Good leadership there, guys. No favouritism at all.
EDIT 2 – I’m not going to go to war with RvB, nor enact a hate campaign or anything. This post is it. I’m done.
P.S. – Yes this could “make it worse” but from the way I was treated, I don’t think they could think of me any lower anyway.